Geoffrey was killed when you look at the a riding accident into the 1186 and you will Constance hitched (2) Ranulph de Blundeville, cuatro th Earl regarding Chester, towards the 3 rd February 1188, inside the a wedding set-up of the King Henry 11. That it marriage deteriorated and you may Ranulph imprisoned Constance when you look at the 1196. Rebellions was in fact started around the Brittany on her behalf and you will Ranulph put-out their unique into the 1198. Back into Brittany, Constance got their particular marriage annulled and later for the 1198, she got Guy de Tours just like the their own ‘second’ spouse.

Constance died aged 40, (perhaps away from leprosy, possibly after giving birth in order to twin girls) toward 5 th Sep 1201 during the Nantes

Although this wasn’t a good consanguineous relationships but certainly one of attraction, one first-studies relationships would have rendered wedding ranging from Constance and you will some of John’s brothers impossible in the place of a great dispensation –– and that because of the party’s review would have must come from brand new pope himself

The concept you to Constance got an affair which have John following death of Geoffrey and you can just before John’s relationship so you’re able to Isabella out-of Gloucester in the 1189, which she is actually mom to help you Joanna is very controversial and have provoked far discussion within genealogical sectors.

One remark of good genealogist claims that ‘the brand new diary ‘The fresh new Plantagenet Connection’ keeps wrote a keen ahnentafel of Age Plantagenet, partner of Henry V11, that gives Joanna’s mother’s identity once the Constance (perhaps misnamed Clemence?), Duchess from Brittany. This is basically the Constance who was John’s cousin-in-rules! Considering the well-known animosity ranging from John and you will Constance along with her very own tries to press their particular son Arthur’s welfare so far as new throne regarding The united kingdomt try worried (so we every recognize how disastrously you to definitely turned-out!), I truly discover suggested relationships a little tough to take. The fresh new Constance you to definitely history depicts doesn’t struck me due to the fact towards whom John could easily coerce on the bed.’

‘ A concept that would select Joanna’s mother just like the Constance fails to be the cause of an extremely vital reason for canon rules. Who does imply that some shadow of one’s count must surely attended down seriously to us, if this inside it the latest ask for it, brand new deliberations, or perhaps the real dispensation itself. In so far as i in the morning alert, nothing of your own kind exists.’

From the merely having sex having John, not to mention results your a child, Constance could have depending an initial-training dating of attraction with John’s siblings –– and additionally John’s cousin Geoffrey

My personal view for what it’s well worth, is that got Constance started the caretaker of Joanna she’d absolutely have lead their particular up in her household along with her identity would be as well labeled as Constance’s most other children from the Geoffrey (Eleanor, Reasonable Maid away from Brittany, Matilda/Maud out of Brittany and you may Arthur).

Agatha came into this world regarding the 1168 within the Chartley Castle, Staffordshire. It’s notorious you to she is actually a mistress regarding John and some friends trees promote their unique, no matter if unmarried, given that mother off Joanna. Really genealogists however are convinced that it’s simply supposition you to she actually is Joanna’s mom just like the zero proof otherwise suggestions exists to show it.

One provider frequently considering are Sir William Dugdale, regarding Baronage out-of England (1675-6). He says his supply to get Dr David Howell’s ‘Reputation for Wales’ (1584). Powell’s work is an enlarged model of H Lloyd’s translation out of ‘The deДџerlendirmeleri AmoLatina fresh Historie off Cambria’ from the twelve th century Saint Caradoc out-of Llancarfan. A special provider, ‘Magna Carta Barons’ from the Charles Browning, copyright 1969 in addition to brands Agatha de- Ferrers, child regarding Robert de Ferrers, last Earl regarding derby, because Joanna’s mother.

Even in the event she can’t be entirely ignored since a candidate getting mother regarding Joanna, absolutely there would be specific shade regarding their unique into the good chronicle or other historical resource, in the event the she got in fact come the caretaker of the spouse away from the new Prince regarding Northern Wales.